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";s:4:"text";s:30495:"._12xlue8dQ1odPw1J81FIGQ{display:inline-block;vertical-align:middle} Any tips? Also don’t mindlessly bomb bases if you decide to play it, that’s a dick move. Looks like you're using new Reddit on an old browser. Most of the times enemies will avoid attacking you, which is a breath of fresh air compared to Air RB where US bombers are a magnet for enemy fighters. Part of The Complete Beginner’s Guide. The two currencies are Silver Lions, mostly earned from playing missions and battles, and Gold Eagles, mostly bought with real money. If you have no strong preference then starting off with the Soviet Union isn’t a bad idea; you get a bonus premium aircraft for the first country you fly with, and the I-153 that the USSR get is a great plane, very handy to be able to put straight into service without having to research and unlock it. As Josh Cruz pointed out, the game is not dead but it’s stagnating, and the number of players is also slowly decreasing . @keyframes ibDwUVR1CAykturOgqOS5{0%{transform:rotate(0deg)}to{transform:rotate(1turn)}}._3LwT7hgGcSjmJ7ng7drAuq{--sizePx:0;font-size:4px;position:relative;text-indent:-9999em;border-radius:50%;border:4px solid var(--newCommunityTheme-bodyTextAlpha20);border-left-color:var(--newCommunityTheme-body);transform:translateZ(0);animation:ibDwUVR1CAykturOgqOS5 1.1s linear infinite}._3LwT7hgGcSjmJ7ng7drAuq,._3LwT7hgGcSjmJ7ng7drAuq:after{width:var(--sizePx);height:var(--sizePx)}._3LwT7hgGcSjmJ7ng7drAuq:after{border-radius:50%}._3LwT7hgGcSjmJ7ng7drAuq._2qr28EeyPvBWAsPKl-KuWN{margin:0 auto} Yet, the armament consists of 12.7 and 7.7 millimeter machine guns, just like the country’s bi-planes. I’m just using it because it’s the fastest way to grind the event. Makes it much easier, -Sim gives more rp but it takes a while to get adjusted. I didn't see any need to use them and now I really need them. ._3-SW6hQX6gXK9G4FM74obr{display:inline-block;vertical-align:text-bottom;width:16px;height:16px;font-size:16px;line-height:16px} Land and take out an attacker to ground pound or a fighter with some ordinance use it up then do some air-to-air for a bit. In War Thunder, much like in real life, ... 2 x 1,000 lbs and 10 x rockets to maximise the damage. As in many free-to-play games the economy of War Thunder can be slightly confusing, with several types of currencies, rewards, items and so forth.. Money, Money, Money. 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The game is based around combined arms battles on air, land, and sea with vehicles from the Spanish Civil War to today. ._2cHgYGbfV9EZMSThqLt2tx{margin-bottom:16px;border-radius:4px}._3Q7WCNdCi77r0_CKPoDSFY{width:75%;height:24px}._2wgLWvNKnhoJX3DUVT_3F-,._3Q7WCNdCi77r0_CKPoDSFY{background:var(--newCommunityTheme-field);background-size:200%;margin-bottom:16px;border-radius:4px}._2wgLWvNKnhoJX3DUVT_3F-{width:100%;height:46px} Its a very chill way to grind. 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I am still new to the mode so maybe just straight bombing is the most efficient way but I always try to help out with other objectives because I want that win bonus. Also consider and plan ahead what CAS planes you want for the ground lineup, stuff like American fighters all have half decent bomb and rocket loads, while Germans and Soviets tend to use purpose built attackers/heavy fighters/strike bombers. Say 50% for 800 or something. It was introduced in Update 1.69 "Regia Aeronautica", though a variant existed in the German tech treeprior to the update. 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It was introduced in Update 1.97 "Viking Fury".. i think the best way to grind, is to not grind, just play and have fun grinding can get annoying, but just playing is still fun (i have been playing for over a year, and still do not have jets, but i do i have like tier 4 planes and tier 4 stanks .ehsOqYO6dxn_Pf9Dzwu37{margin-top:0;overflow:visible}._2pFdCpgBihIaYh9DSMWBIu{height:24px}._2pFdCpgBihIaYh9DSMWBIu.uMPgOFYlCc5uvpa2Lbteu{border-radius:2px}._2pFdCpgBihIaYh9DSMWBIu.uMPgOFYlCc5uvpa2Lbteu:focus,._2pFdCpgBihIaYh9DSMWBIu.uMPgOFYlCc5uvpa2Lbteu:hover{background-color:var(--newRedditTheme-navIconFaded10);outline:none}._38GxRFSqSC-Z2VLi5Xzkjy{color:var(--newCommunityTheme-actionIcon)}._2DO72U0b_6CUw3msKGrnnT{border-top:none;color:var(--newCommunityTheme-metaText);cursor:pointer;padding:8px 16px 8px 8px;text-transform:none}._2DO72U0b_6CUw3msKGrnnT:hover{background-color:#0079d3;border:none;color:var(--newCommunityTheme-body);fill:var(--newCommunityTheme-body)} The jet is highly agile and is the first plane in War Thunder capable of performing the famous "Cobra manoeuvre". Early rank fighters mostly have a light machine gun based armament that isn’t ideal for bringing down large bombers (though lucky/accurate shots can take out pilots or key components, or enough bullets will get anything in the end); later models with cannon or larger batteries of heavy machi… Description. It's like coaxing a slug. I want to grind planes because my main lineup is full of tanks (American 8.0) while my planes are still on 4.3. Furthermore, it is f… E.g I have a P47M (great for air RB, it's very good vs fighters, bombers and can strafe light pillboxes, great for Ground rb with 2 bomb drops and 5 hvar launches), I was thinking about A2D-1 but I I quickly gave up the idea when I realized how much I have to pay for it, cheaper way: Bf 109 F-4 and talisman rank 4, the cheapest way: talisman P-47D-25, talisman rank 4, ._3bX7W3J0lU78fp7cayvNxx{max-width:208px;text-align:center} I have a premium account but not plane and I’ve been playing a lot of air assault arcade recently with the f11f cause the payout is quite good. Fighters, as the name suggests, are designed to fight other aircraft. The site may not work properly if you don't, If you do not update your browser, we suggest you visit, Press J to jump to the feed. However, this strong history did not translate well into War Thunder. The game is based around combined arms battles on air, land, and sea with vehicles from the Spanish Civil War to today. The C.202 Folgore is a rank II Italian fighter with a battle rating of 2.3 (AB/RB/SB). So im rank IV in brit planes and it takes alot of exp to unlock new planes, im mostly playing air RB cuz i find it more enjoyable than AB so is there any faster way to get exp than playing RB battles over and over? War Thunder, though not a full on simulator, puts a greater emphasis on realism than World of Tanks. I have done the destroy enemy bombers objective the same way but that draws way more heat from enemy players as there are quite a few of them and the kill feed is a giant billboard to your location. One of the best parts of war thunder is combined arms, the downside is war thunder patches don't keep up with what they introduce and they're extremely slow when it comes to adjusting brs. Without premium time or aircraft I got a handful of T2 and every single T3 plane in the US tree knocked out in just over a week. I started playing EC a couple of weeks ago. Values in the range of 1.0 are only average and below are already reveal too weak vehicles. Bro you are a bit late to the party (considering GE sales are stopping), as a F2P player idk how you should do it, get a fighter you like and get lots of kills and wins with, it's the best way to get RP and SL. Fastest way to grind American jets? This is most evident in the way the two games control. Dont be afraid to try it out, you dont need a joystick to play bombers. By using our Services or clicking I agree, you agree to our use of cookies. ._3Im6OD67aKo33nql4FpSp_{border:1px solid var(--newCommunityTheme-widgetColors-sidebarWidgetBorderColor);border-radius:5px 5px 4px 4px;overflow:visible;word-wrap:break-word;background-color:var(--newCommunityTheme-body);padding:12px}.lnK0-OzG7nLFydTWuXGcY{font-size:10px;font-weight:700;letter-spacing:.5px;line-height:12px;text-transform:uppercase;padding-bottom:4px;color:var(--newCommunityTheme-navIcon)} There are over 90 planes in tier 1 alone, ... Oh, and his job. In EC2 I found it very easy to do the objective to destroy the enemy surveillance aircraft just by hosing them down with the tail gun and moving on. The advantages of the C.202 are the combination of good speed, very good rate of climb and rate of roll. 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But the required rp is like 100,000+ now. ._1PeZajQI0Wm8P3B45yshR{fill:var(--newCommunityTheme-actionIcon)}._1PeZajQI0Wm8P3B45yshR._3axV0unm-cpsxoKWYwKh2x{fill:#ea0027} I really enjoy the variety in EC. Got em Yeah, I used to stream on I used to stream on PSfour. Press question mark to learn the rest of the keyboard shortcuts. Fastest way to grind? The J35D Draken is a rank VI Swedish jet fighter with a battle rating of 10.7 (AB/RB/SB). It occurs to me that there could be a relatively more efficient way to research modules than what I do. Better then a ground only mode would be an era specific mode, so ww2 vehicles only saw ww2 vehicles, cold war saw cold war and modern saw modern. By using our Services or clicking I agree, you agree to our use of cookies. The C.202 "Folgore" (Lightning) is an Italian fighter which is best suited to attacking other fighters and unsuited to use as a fighter bomber due to not being able to carry bombs or rockets. Get bombers and play SIM Enduring confrontation. Even with Free to Play account you should be able to get 40-80k RP per match lasting 2h on average. The Italian aircraft I used most was the C 205 series 1. I want to grind planes because my main lineup is full of tanks (American 8.0) while my planes are still on 4.3. /*# sourceMappingURL=https://www.redditstatic.com/desktop2x/chunkCSS/TopicLinksContainer.361933014be843c79476.css.map*/BTD-1, B-29A-BN talisman if you are really crazy bombers pilot. I post topics here on the planes I am spading. The J35D is the first Swedish jet capable of Mach 2. I will second this. 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Fastest way it to buy premium, but other than that, playing an excellent plane and just grinding and grinding with it, Nah im never buying premium, well by fav plane for now is spitfire Vb trop so i guess i gonna just play rb over and over with it, -Play vehicles to spade them. I didn't see any need to use them … Sometimes, a nugget of goodness comes from it, like the F-82 is less annoying to spade out than the majority of 5.0 US planes. Fastest way to grind All Air So im rank IV in brit planes and it takes alot of exp to unlock new planes, im mostly playing air RB cuz i find it more enjoyable than AB so is there any faster way to get exp than playing RB battles over and over? War Thunder’s upcoming Knights of the Sea mode looks set to give naval warfare its proper place in the triumvirate of battlegrounds most commonly referred to as land, sea and air. War Thunder, the popular free-to-play military vehicular combat game, is adding another clutch of ‘splodey new toys. play objective i.e kill fighter/bombers [3+] in your fighter/interceptor or kill GT [15+]like L.Pilbbox ,Med tank with bombers per battle. As a collector I would be happy to spend some cash to get a premium, especially with a discount. ._1x9diBHPBP-hL1JiwUwJ5J{font-size:14px;font-weight:500;line-height:18px;color:#ff585b;padding-left:3px;padding-right:24px}._2B0OHMLKb9TXNdd9g5Ere-,._1xKxnscCn2PjBiXhorZef4{height:16px;padding-right:4px;vertical-align:top}._1LLqoNXrOsaIkMtOuTBmO5{height:20px;padding-right:8px;vertical-align:bottom}.isInIcons2020 .icon._1LLqoNXrOsaIkMtOuTBmO5{vertical-align:middle}.QB2Yrr8uihZVRhvwrKuMS{height:18px;padding-right:8px;vertical-align:top}._3w_KK8BUvCMkCPWZVsZQn0{font-size:14px;font-weight:500;line-height:18px;color:var(--newCommunityTheme-actionIcon)}._3w_KK8BUvCMkCPWZVsZQn0 ._1LLqoNXrOsaIkMtOuTBmO5,._3w_KK8BUvCMkCPWZVsZQn0 ._2B0OHMLKb9TXNdd9g5Ere-,._3w_KK8BUvCMkCPWZVsZQn0 ._1xKxnscCn2PjBiXhorZef4,._3w_KK8BUvCMkCPWZVsZQn0 .QB2Yrr8uihZVRhvwrKuMS{fill:var(--newCommunityTheme-actionIcon)} I've been able to speed-grind planes this way and since so many CARB pilots suck, you can even hunt them with a full bombload, allowing you to get some extra point by doing CAS. Early tanks grind to a halt over the gentlest grades, and War Thunder consistently overestimates my interest in managing a tank's manual transmission. This fighter has been extremely reliable in terms of speed and maneuverability. Cookies help us deliver our Services. I mentioned grinding for new planes in my post. It's also the reason why trim is so important, left untrimmed a plane can generate excess lift (great… Because the way of going about it may vary widely. For me, when o playing as a fighter, i use stelth ammo for easy kills, Ah yes stealth is such a good idea for someone who probably isn't godly at planes. This is a subreddit for War Thunder, a cross platform vehicular combat MMO developed by Gaijin Entertainment for Microsoft Windows, macOS, Linux, PlayStation 4, and Xbox One. The first time I flew the 110G this way I managed to get parts and 3/4 of my fire suppression researched in a single match. 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